Headspring OK Human podcastWelcome to OK Human! The podcast that explores topics at the intersection of humans and technology. We’ll hear from experts and everyday practioners about how to manage the life-stuff that actually impacts our code. We’re talking empathy, EQ, mentorship, coding best practices, and more.

OK Human is hosted by our very own software guru and literal trailblazer, Patrick McVeety-Mill (a.k.a. Booger Bear). Patrick invites other developers and developer-adjacent folks to share big ideas and interesting opinions. Won’t you join us?


Latest Episodes

Episode 6 – Vertical Slice Architecture with Jimmy Bogard

The critics agree, Vertical Slice is nice! Join Patrick this episode as he talks to Chief Architect and speaker, Jimmy Bogard, about what Vertical Slice Architecture is and how to use it in practice. Jimmy describes his own journey to the slice-side from traditional layers, and advises on when and how to use this style (or when not to!). He and Patrick dig deep into the testing side of things and discuss how vertical slice can move you towards better design—plus an all-around better time for developers!





Episode 5 – AMA with SCPM, Lola Mullen


In this episode, Patrick talks to Lola Mullen, our very own rockstar PM, who shares her perspectives from other realms of Software Delivery. She answers questions from you, our listeners, about the value of a good PM (vs. those rent-a-scrum-master types) and shares tips for communicating better with clients and team members. You’ll hear such nuggets of wisdom as, “Be the crap umbrella,” “Be honest, even when the truth sucks,” and “Make the unknown unknown a known unknown.” We also grilled her on how to manage some very specific difficult-personality types—relatable whether you’re client-facing or not!


Episode 4 – Blazor and You with Glenn Burnside


In this episode, we discuss Microsoft’s production release of the new front-end framework, Blazor, with a measuredly optimistic air. Patrick chats with Headspring’s own EVP of Strategy & Operations, Glenn Burnside, about why the early-adopter crowd is excited about this new programming model, and how we can help others see it’s NOT Silverlight. They talk about using (surprise!) empathy as a tool for addressing change-resistance, selling a new technology up the ladder, and letting go of developer identity-related hangups that get in the way of progress. Ready to be trail-Blazor? Want to learn more? Tune in, human friends!


Episode 3 – Developer Experience with Ian Jennings

In this episode, we talk to Ian Jennings, founder of the Developer Experience (DX) platform Haxor and a pioneer in this nascent space. What is DX? Another buzz term to fuss over? More like a no-brainer. Ian shares his thoughts on why DX makes sense—not just for makers of developer products, but for internal teams as well. We’ll talk about what it is, how we measure it, and how it relates to things like User Experience, Customer Experience—even DevOps. As Ian points out, “Every developer experience is responsible for thousands of user experiences.”  🤯  Whether you’re a developer, product maker or IT leader, this may be well worth a listen!


Episode 2 – Developer EQ with Ryan Thomas

In episode 2 of Ok Human, we build on our exploration of empathy by discussing its coveted cousin, EQ. What is EQ? Wait, do we mean IQ? Our Director of Engineering, Ryan Thomas, explains: EQ is a “measure” of your emotional intelligence, and it’s an important thing for developers to…develop. In fact, some people argue that EQ is actually more important than IQ when it comes to being successful (…but we’ll let you judge whether or not that’s BS). As someone who’s done a lot of personal development of his own, Ryan offers a ton of great tips for code-focused engineers who want to work on their ability to engage, listen, and build connections. How do you let go of your ego and practice active listening? How do you balance empathy and control? Can introverts have a high EQ too? Join Patrick and Ryan to discuss these scintillating topics and learn how Developer EQ can pay dividends for you and all those around you.


Episode 1 – Developer Empathy with Yogi Aradhye


In this inaugural episode, Patrick talks to Headspring Principal Consultant, Yogi Aradhye, about the importance of “developer empathy.” What does empathy have to do with coding, you ask? Probably a lot more than you think. And it’s not just about fluffy feelings and stuff—though emotions are certainly part of it, so don’t knock ’em till you hear this out.


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Meet your host

Patrick McVeety-Mill

Patrick McVeety-Mill


Patrick is an enthusiastic and driven software consultant, practiced in refactoring legacy projects and developing web and cloud solutions for a wide variety of business domains. As a dedicated learner, he is quick to adapt to new systems and internalize client missions; finding opportunities for innovation and sharing knowledge with his team. A long prior history in the service industry has provided him a work ethic and team communication skills often uncharacteristic in the engineering world.